Are you building systems for your team, or are you still the system? In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Julien Marzouk, a former SaaS founder and coach who has worked with hundreds of seven and eight figure founders over the past decade. Julien breaks down six recurring patterns he sees in founders who scale past a million, from the identity shift of moving from operator to leader, to the visibility problems that get mistaken for lead problems. Topics we cover: - (2:59) – Why seven-figure founders seek coaching - (5:50) – Coach versus mastermind, key differences - (9:44) – Mindset shift to be coached well - (12:05) – Pattern 1: Operator to leader - (14:05) – Pattern 2: Doing too many things - (18:17) – Pattern 3: The rescuing founder - (21:45) – Pattern 4: Visibility disguised as leads - (25:36) – Pattern 5: Action beats analysis paralysis - (28:55) – Pattern 6: Clarity before AI agents - (32:07) – What coaching at SaaS Institute involves Links from the show: - [Tiny Summit](mailto:tracy@tinyseed.com) | Cancun, Mexico · December 5-7, 2026 - Get On the Wait List - [TinySeed SaaS Institute](https://saasinstitute.com/) - [TinySeed Mentors](https://tinyseed.com/people#mentors) - [MicroConf Masterminds](https://microconf.com/masterminds) - [Julien Marzouk | LinkedIn](https://www.linkedin.com/in/julienmarzouk/) - [Rob Walling (@robwalling) | X](https://twitter.com/robwalling) If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you'd like for us to cover, please[submit your question](https://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/contact) for an upcoming episode. We'd love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review:[iTunes](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/startups-for-the-rest-of-us/id366931951) |[Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/5089lJbLDOmXCvbcJzLZYj)