How do you find someone who thinks like an owner, not just a task-doer? In this episode, Rob digs into a batch of listener questions about task level, project level, and owner level thinkers. He covers how to identify them, what they cost, where to find them, and why building a team of exceptional people creates a virtuous cycle that lifts everyone up. Topics we cover: - (4:13) – Defining task, project, and owner level thinkers - (7:32) – Are owner level thinkers born or built? - (10:16) – Compensation ranges for owner level thinkers - (11:53) – W2 vs. contractor for senior hires - (15:53) – Do you actually need owner level thinkers? - (17:36) – Where to find project and owner level thinkers - (20:16) – How long to integrate them into your company - (24:40) – How to identify them in job interviews - (29:38) – Why you won't always get hires right Links from the show: - [Rob Walling's Essays](https://robwalling.com/essays) - [Rob Walling’s Newsletter](https://robwalling.com/subscribe) - [Rob Walling YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHoBKQDRkJcOY2BO47q5Ruw) - [The SaaS Playbook](https://saasplaybook.com) - [Remote First Recruiting](https://remotefirstrecruiting.com) - [MicroConf](https://microconf.com) - [TinySeed](https://tinyseed.com) - [SaaS Institute](https://tinyseed.com/institute) - [Discretion Capital](https://discretioncapital.com/) If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you'd like for us to cover, please [submit your question](https://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/contact) for an upcoming episode. We'd love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: [iTunes](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/startups-for-the-rest-of-us/id366931951) |[Spotify](https://open.spotify.com/show/2Ww2e4JNO2cfxWC2ImR7DJ)